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Condoleezza Rice entrevistada por Der Spiegel.

«SPIEGEL: Would you say that the war in Iraq is winnable?

RICE: Oh, absolutely I think it is. It's not easy. This is a revolution really in the Middle East, a political-social revolution. Iraq was drawn on the fault lines of ethnic and religious differences. For the first time they're being challenged to resolve their differences by politics, not by the repression of one group by another. There are very deep grievances that sometimes spring to the surface, and so it's not easy.

But when you talk with Iraqi leaders or with just the Iraqi people, they want what everyone else wants: They want a stable and peaceful life. And I think the defeat of those extremists who are trying to deny them that kind of Iraq is what really needs to be done. It's not as if all Iraqis are running through the streets fighting each other, Sunni and Shia. These are people who are intermarried, their tribes are very often both Sunni and Shia, but they are being challenged by violent extremists and by death squads.

SPIEGEL: How big do you think these groups are?

RICE: I don't know how small, but certainly not large, not the majority of the Iraqi people.

SPIEGEL: So you wouldn't describe the situation in Iraq as a civil war?

RICE: No, because the Iraqi people and their government have not given up on a unified Iraq. You don't hear Iraqi leaders saying, oh, we cannot work with the Sunni or the Shia. They have a national reconciliation plan. And so I think we should talk about this the way they talk about it, which is the need to reestablish civil order.»

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